Cruising Outpost

First of all, Cacique, has the most common sence of anyone here. I actually wanted to read more.

Parrot, really! Probably should open your eyes and mind to what's going on. Bush was bad, but the option was what? The inventor of the Internet pushing big banks to make more home loans to indigents continuing that Clinton mistake? I will vote for anyone that professes some sence of fiscal responsibility and the thought that maybe government shouldn't control every aspect of my life. wether they do it is another story but lesser of 2 evils. As far as abortion, I really don't care, I just don't want to pay for it. I don't think it's anybody's bisness but a woman and her doctors. It's not a federal issue anyway it's up to the individual state. Please stop listening to Palosi.

Please your being way to simplistic and sound bite brainwashed.

Bush was a "C" student who only graduated because he was a legacy.

Daddy bought him out of the whole vietnam/nat guard thing. He never held a job and he was party boy central.

Voting for him twice was insanity. Gore was a boring speaker but certainly was a smart educated man and well respected in Washington.
He would have hired Qualified help and been a fine President. Bush hired Rummie...and drove Powell who was his ONLY competant cabinet out the door with thw whole Sadam floating dirty bombs over the ocean with balloon thing. HOW OBSURD....

WE know your sorry for voting for Bush....Just apologize and sin no more.
Hiring a billionaire robber baron to finish off the middle class is the height of stupidity.

Mouth breathers like Jim and Sail don't care.
They are counting the days till they die and got there's already from the comments they make.
So shoving it everyone else's ass is just more typical hate pedaling.

Sorry but Public radio and whats left of welfare wont make a dent. Single mother with a kid gets 109 a month for 24 months in florida
No one is lining up from that to live on. The whole blaming it on welfare thing left with Clinton. Jim and Company are decades out of date.

Americans need WORK that PAYS THE BILLS AND FEED THERE KIDS AND PAYS FOR COLLEGE AND HEALTH CA?RE AS A CIVIL RIGHT.

IF we can't get to that then roll it up. I put myself in the 47% that Mit wants to kill. I will need my SS. I payed for it and I will need it.
Him and his buddies already got the pension money. Family/Health and whatever have left meee with enough to take care of myself till SS kicks in.
After that I will need SS and Medicare to live. I have worked more hours than I can count. Hard and Long all my life. Weekends, Holiday's Xmas fraaking morning for pete sake. I paid in so I feel I have i coming. Welfare it ain't. I have 2 houses in Florida...Both values are down 40%.

So if you say I am just looking for a hand out So be it. Mitt has enough money for 10 lifetimes His wife spends more on shoes in a month than working families need to live on for a year. Legal doesn't make Moral. And expensive lawyers and lobbyists working for you doesn't make it Legal. It just means they got away with it. I could quote figures about 11 trillion in wealth gone up in smoke and the fed apparently printing 16 trillion but what is the point. Granted Obama was not my choice. Having the Clintons back was a much better. My pockets where filled with hard earned money when Bill was Pres and Obama went along with the DNC for much of his team Warren Buffet and friends aside. Nacny the Commie Palosi was the worst possible Speaker choice for one but what do you want from Califorinia. They elect movie stars for office. The alternative however is wacked. Just like Bush he will wreak havoc down the road and finally create the class walls that they want.

I mean if you can't kill and hunt poor people what is the point in being rich. And for the psuedo bible thumpers...Jesus would not vote for Mitt. It says so in the bible. I know because I have read it many more times than you have.

Wow! Seems you've more than a couple issues here. OK you hate Bush, got it. He was an idiot. You've some financial woes you are projecting on Bush, got it.
Next, you don't like Romney because he's rich so he must be the enemy. Not too sure that's a productive stance. Envy is a sin so don't expect to be rewarded for it.
Look, nobody is saying a hand up during hard times is bad. I think everyone believes any individual is worth lending a hand. Continuing hand outs year after year perpetuates what? Dependence... And that is all. Unless there is a serious disability there is not many reasons to remain dependent.
Buck up there buddy, there are still ways to earn a buck. Problem is O and co. Want to tax the worth from it and make work a waste of time. Best to you, you'll get through it if you try.

Parrothead maybe Bush was a C student.. DId you know Obama's grades have been hidden from the public.. I'll bet they were hidden because he was an A+ student and he didn't want to show off.
Did you know only 2 times in US history since WW11 only did a president not visit the Normandy American Cemetary in France, the D-day Monument in Bedford, VA.
That president was OBAMA.

Wrong. Obama went to Normandy in 2009. The D day monument in Virginia opened in 2001.

I can tell you are a Romney voter. Facts don't matter to you, just like they are not important to him.

Reality check, even if this is anecdotal, do really think that without all the unions, without all the environmental regs, with a reduced tax rate to match, say China, at 25% for corporations, with an added VAT of 17%, or effective rate of 42%, is going to bring US labor costs down to $1.36 an hour?
BTW, China's individual tax rate is 45%, of $1.36 an hour... to be fair, think anyone in the US wants to pay 45% on roughly 3 grand a year? How far you think you can stretch $1500.00?

Would also like to thank you for supporting the US in your anecdotal model, obviously your personal wealth is more important to you than the welfare of your country...


Almost forgot, would probably surprise you too know, that the highest level of Manufacturing jobs in the US, EVER, was under Jimmy Carter... Or that durring GOP stints in the white house, there have been consistant declines? At least for the years I looked at, the past 40 or so...

Nice anecdote though, and no one would blame you, nor does anyone really blame mittens.... Just try not to sound all Patriotic about it and run for president....

http://www.timesrecordnews.com/news/201 ... july-each/

Coconut, business is business. In my particular case it was either China or nothing. The only factor that my personal wealth has played in the entire venture is that I did not have enough personal wealth to manufacture here in the US. The fact of the matter is, $7000 or $285000. Let's put it another way, I could have paid cash for a decent used car, or bought a very decent home in most parts of the country. Which one would you have picked? I was trying to show those that may not have ever dealt with such things the incredibly vast difference in cost between manufacturing in the US vs. China. It is really easy to say Mitt is an outsourcer, but maybe with the knowledge that there is such a dramatic difference in cost it would make a little sense to those that do not have personal knowledge of the subject. If we did not outsource to China, India, Mexico, etc.., what would the cost of those products be? In my case, for product and shipping alone and not counting the tooling costs at the factory, made in the US would have cost about 10x what the final product would cost me in China. That would have priced me right out of business. But then again, I would never be IN business if I could not have it manufactured overseas. If I am not in business, does the USA receive any tax dollars from me? Nope. As is, Uncle Sam gets some money. You tell me, what is better for my country, receiving a little money from me, or receiving no money from me?

In 1972 the Clean Water Act was put in place, hmmm, that is about 40 years ago, just when you say manufacturing in the US started on it's way down. I wonder why.... Oh wait, I know, it became too expensive to live up to its standard and manufacturing started going overseas. Again, nothing wrong with "saving" the environment. But, we need to be fiscally responsible, too. What difference does it make anyway if the environment is all interconnected between here and China?

Your product still cost a lot more than $7000. You just passed the cost of pollution, health and safety costs onto the Chinese worker and people.

Sure it cost less to build in China. So do you advocate no minimum wage, no pollution controls, no woker health and safety protections, etc.

Question you have to ask, do you want the usa to be more like China?

LL life is what it is.

Who would You have delt with Jim's situation?