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I make no judgement I have not earned that privilege. Claudene Christian the young lady who didn't make clearly had missgivings.

PAULDEN, Ariz. -- Family of a
woman who died when the HMS Bounty sank in Sandy's stormwater are questioning why
she and the other crew members
were put in jeopardy.
A cousin of 42-year-old Claudene
Christian tells 3TV it was a goal of
hers to make it onto the Bounty. "She's a descendant from Fletcher
Christian, who was involved in the
mutiny in the 1700s," said Gidget
Trainor, "She was doing what she
loved."
With Sandy approaching, her family expressed concerns about
the Bounty setting sail from New
England to Florida.
"She told us she was going to ride
the storm out, and that it was
supposedly safer to stay out in the ocean [during the storm]," Trainor
told 3TV from her home in
Northern Arizona.
Still, it did little to settle the nerves
of her family.
"We were all so worried. I just couldn't believe they were out
there in the storm."
Christian herself seemed
somewhat apprehensive about the
Bounty captain's plans, and sent a
final text message to her parents, foreshadowing the disaster.
"She texted my aunt, telling her
that if the ship went down, to know
she died doing what she loved."
Christian joined the Bounty last
spring, at the start of a six-month tour, which was supposed to end
in a few weeks.

And http://touch.latimes.com/#story/la-na-n ... -20121102/

Perhaps we can look at things in a totally different way.... What weather would you go out in?

Google News Archives work badly on my iPad, but here's what I get for October 26th morning. The sinking was Oct 29 4 am


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-news ... -live-blog


It had already been dubbed "Frankenstorm" by the media. Ok it's a stupid name, but it indicates it was thought to be big.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md- ... story.html


And this is what it looked like on the 25th October.

Remeniscent of...

http://www.fortogden.com/fantommiamiherald.html

And, it has never been found.

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Don Ferguson
K5DJF
S/V Nobody Knows

Coastie, you are right. Investigations are not done until they are done, and the cause of the vessel's foundering will not be know until such time.

That said, when EVERY fcuking TV channel in the world is showing satellite pictures of a 1000 mile diameter cyclonic disturbance, regardless of it's "rating", one has no business being out there in the Graveyard of the Atlantic. Period.

It will not be the cause, maybe a contributing factor. But that's just semantics....isn't it.

Paul, Fantome is the first thing that came to mind when I heard this.

1) The Bounty was 160 miles from the eye and in the proper quadrant of the storm. OK. My location was 170 miles and we had a few 30 kt gusts.

2) They lost propulsion and generator. So what! The wind would have been at their backs. Storm tactics for full rig sailing ships is to fly a topsail. While in a wave trough the sail is not shadowed.

3) Sailing inside the 100 fathom curve makes a big difference when near the Gulf Stream. (From personal experience having worked many operations in and near the stream off the Carolina coast launching and recovering submersibles.)

I'm going out on a limb and guessing most of you are too young to have owned a wood boat! They take on more water from the deck and topsides than the hull. The planks are sometimes not swollen and seems are open.

The one question I have is, was this vessel with all the modern accessories too new to have an archaic piece of equipment as a manual bilge pump and the scared 17 souls to man them in order to handle the situation as in the old days ?

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Chris

Flying a topsail is tough without your topmasts. That said, even with no power or rudder, she should have been able to get before the wind and run with a jib or two. I think we're going to have to wait a long time before the inquest is complete, and we probably won't get all the details then. In other words, wait for the movie and pick that apart.

Another point of view
Not trying to pass judgement one way or another here, just passing on information


Dave

here is a tall ship in the pirates days in hampton VA..